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Do Rav Schachter and Rav Twersky Disagree about Hareni?

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There have been few issues that divide the Jewish community more than LGBTQ issues. (Although Israel’s war in Gaza may have become divisive too these days — that is not the issue I want to discuss now. The LGBTQ is no less divisive.)

I think it is safe to say that division on this issue can be defined largely along denominational lines. The more observant a denomination is, the more likely it is to oppose the LGBTQ agenda, particularly the normalization of LGBTQ identities and behaviors. Conversely, the further left one travels down the denominational road, the more acceptable that normalization becomes.

Rabbis of the heterodox movements tend to enthusiastically support gay sex as morally equivalent to heterosexual sex.

The Orthodox view of LGBTQ issues is more nuanced. We fully embrace the Torah’s prohibitions and its repercussions for people who act in forbidden ways on their desires. However, we do not reject those who struggle with these issues. We respect their humanity and empathize with their struggles.

What we do not do is legitimize behavior that the Torah forbids. LGBTQ individuals who engage in Mishkav Zachar (gay sex), cross-dressing, or surgical gender transition are, according to halacha, violating serious prohibitions.

None of this is new. I’ve said it many times before — most recently in the context of Yeshiva University’s compromise with the Pride Alliance who filed a lawsuit demanding they allow the formation of an LGBTQ club on the YU campus.

As noted in a previous post, a compromise was reached. A ‘gay’ club would be formed that would strive to follow Halacha. My understanding was that the purpose of this club was to allow LGBTQ students to share their struggles with each other - and seek to overcome them.

Hareni was formed, operating under these conditions. It was accepted by the Pride Alliance and apparently approved by YU’s most senior Rosh Yeshiva, Rav Hershel Schachter. I thought this was a fair compromise — one that would allow YU to maintain its non-sectarian status while remaining true to its religious principles. I was happy to see the lawsuit resolved and both sides reach this agreement.

There are some rabbis who completely reject this compromise and view any club that identifies as gay — regardless of its halachic structure — as a Chillul Hashem.

That rabbis on the right might feel this way doesn’t surprise me. But when Rav Mayer Twersky, a Rosh Yeshiva at YU and someone I greatly admire and respect, expressed that view, I was taken aback.

Apparently, the compromise that was publicly presented is not the one that Hareni ultimately adopted. As Rabbi Twersky recently noted:

"The belated (April 3, 2025) publication of the Hareni Club Protocols (“Exhibit B”) has allowed us to clarify and, perhaps for the first time, accurately contextualize elements of the Hareni Club agreement... 
The recent agreement contractually commits to, sanctions, and institutionalizes not only the LGBTQ nomenclature but its agenda as well... 
The Pride Alliance embarked upon a heretical campaign 'to change Yeshiva’s Torah-based understanding of LGBTQ issues' and to make 'cultural changes.' They formulated a strategic plan to 'frame Jewish practices and religious events through an LGBTQ lens.' 
Y.U., in the Hareni Club agreement, mind-bogglingly approved that insidious plan.
Effectively, Y.U. approved not only a social, professional gay club but one for kefirah (heresy)."

These are pretty strong words. I find it difficult to believe that Rav Schachter would have approved of something like this. And yet, if media reports are accurate, it appears that he did.

Rabbi Twersky’s primary objection seems to be the fact that people who struggle with these issues want to turn that struggle into a source of pride — not pride in who they love, but pride in how they love. And that is entirely unacceptable to someone who believes in the Torah. And anathema to any institution that calls itself Orthodox.

I have to wonder, though, what Rav Schachter’s response to Rabbi Twersky will be.


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